NEW EPISODE: In Which Shawn Confesses, Maile Talks About Depression, and Revisions are in Order

Before I tell you about today’s episode of The Stories Between Us

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To find out more about Shawn’s new novel, check out the book page HERE.

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In this new podcast episode, Shawn has a confession to make, Maile talks through her latest bout with depression, and she reflects on how writing gave her a place to go. They both talk about the need for creative types to shift from wanting only affirmation to also wanting critique that will help us all make better stuff. They explore who specifically to go to for feedback on early drafts of your creative work.

And all of this from the comfort of their brand new studio: a Disney princess tent that they can barely fit inside.

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As always, there are a few ways to listen: click the play button in the image above, go to the webpage to hear this and all of our other episodes, or head on over to Apple podcasts or Spotify!

Those in our Patreon community receive occasional bonus material and have the opportunity to join in conversations about writing and creativity. This month’s book is The War of Art. You can join our Patreon community at the $5 / month level HERE.

Finally, please leave a review wherever you listen! Reviews are so helpful.

Keep writing!

When the Act of Making Makes Us

My correspondence with Jen Pollack Michel continues. Here is an excerpt of her letter to me this week:

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I have no idea what the process of writing a novel looks like, but I’m sure there are chapters you’ve abandoned, characters you’ve excised, scenes you’ve written and rewritten. Imagine if you could hold all of it in your hands and feel the weight of your creation in its entirety: the parts that remain as well as the parts that were sloughed off. I think this, too, is part of the creative process. The appraisal of it. It reminds me of God the Creator ending every new day with a kind of backward glance at his work: it’s good.

It’s good to be making in the world, Shawn. Not just for what we make but for how we’re made in the act of making.

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To read the entire letter, head to Jen’s post.

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What began as a Twitter conversation between two writers on creative work and family life has become an exchange of letters. Here is where Postmarked began:

Postmarked: Dear Shawn (1)

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This week on our podcast, The Stories Between Us, we spoke with Anne Bogel and her husband Will. She’s the founder and creator of the popular site, Modern Mrs. Darcy, as well as the podcast, What Should I Read Next?

She’s also the author of numerous books including her latest, Don’t Overthink It (which released just a few days ago).

Will is the strong silent type mostly in the background who helps make everything happen.

We talk about why Modern Mrs. Darcy became a site primarily about books and reading, how she got the idea for What Should I Read Next?, and what’s on the list of things that they will be working on in the future. Shawn even asks Anne when her first novel is being released. Did she answer? Not really, but she didn’t rule it out, either. Listen HERE.

It’s Going to be Okay: Thoughts on Ash Wednesday and Everything Else

It is the night before I leave for Nashville, and I am gathering things together in our bedroom—clothes and chargers and a book or two. My 10-year-old son calls from the next room. He recently recovered from a bout with both strep and the flu.

“Dad?” he asks, and I come into the room, lean over, kiss his cheek.

“Yeah?”

“What time are you leaving in the morning?”

“Early, before you wake up.”

“Will you come in and say good-bye before you go?”

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Eight hours later, I step gingerly through the dark, lifting my feet over toys and blankets. I lean in over his bed and kiss his cheek.

“See ya, buddy.”

He rolls over.

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It’s a two-hour drive to the Baltimore airport, or at least that’s how long it takes when I leave the house at 6:00 a.m. On the beltway, the brake lights glow red, and the sky begins to lighten as the morning comes. On my playlist, Ben Howard plays “Old Pine”:

Hot sand on toes, cold sand in sleeping bags
I’ve come to know that memories
Were the best things you ever had

I think of the kids waking up, getting ready for school, Maile making breakfast and getting everyone out the door. Home feels like a memory, soft and sweet and somehow off in the distance, like a humming sound I can’t quite tune into.

A fog settles over the beltway and the cars creep to a stop. When I get to the airport, the fog is heavier, and while I can’t see the planes coming in, I can hear them approach, like rolling thunder, like some strange apocalypse.

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Above the clouds, the blue is the color of cotton candy and the sun glares in through the plastic window shades. I’m in a window seat—there is a guy across the aisle trying to clean up the Coke he spilled all over his tray, his pants, the floor. The guy beside me, in the middle seat, takes out a huge bag of Mexican food he must have bought in the airport and starts eating. In front of me, an old man takes his throw-up bag out of the seat pocket and fluffs it open.

I doze in and out. I write on my laptop. I go back to sleep. I wake up to the man across the aisle. He has just spilled another drink. He mutters to himself.

We begin our descent, and the plane bumps and shifts. We move inside the clouds. We could be on Venus, or under water, or lost. I close my eyes and whisper to myself, it will be fine, it will be fine. The plane plunges again, leaving my stomach behind. It drops again, and there is a whispered gasp through the plane.

It’s going to be okay.

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I am in my hotel room in Nashville, and our newest podcast episode is only a few days old. My friend Beth Stedman shares her reaction to it:

And suddenly I’m standing in my kitchen with the Costco items I still need to put away, and the plate of hastily made nachos I’m shoveling in my mouth at the counter, and I’m trying to keep from sobbing.

Minutes before I had been laughing along to the podcast The Stories Between Us because I could relate so much. Then Maile said these words, “It makes me feel like something more is at stake. That something bigger and something badder wants us not to create.” It struck me, so I went back a few minutes and listened to those few seconds again. I started to shake. I hit the 30 second rewind button and listened a third time.

Like a summer storm that comes out of nowhere and just as suddenly stops, a single sob breaks out from my chest. I take the nachos out of the microwave and then another sob, like rolling thunder, with space in between, the sobs come and go.

I go back two minutes and listen a fourth time and then I’m crying.

This is the journey of the creative, isn’t it? Everything around us, every circumstance and rejection and person is telling us, directly or indirectly, that what we are doing is not a crucial, that it doesn’t really matter in the big scheme of things. And yet.

We know.

I read her comment again, sitting in my hotel room in Nashville.

I remember it is Ash Wednesday. I look up local service times.

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The Episcopal church parking lot is cold and empty when I arrive, early, and the large oak doors are locked, so I keep walking around the building until I find a side door, and I walk through. It is the entry to the church office, and there is a secretary behind the desk who looks at me a little puzzled. But I smile and act like I know where I’m going, and I find the sanctuary.

I sit in a dark corner of the sanctuary and watch quietly as people come and go, lighting candles, preparing for the service. I am the first person there.

Ash Wednesday, and death is in the air. I think of my friends who lost their son. I think of my friend who recently discovered she has cancer. I think of my grandmother, gone only three months.

From dust you have been made, and to dust you shall return.

After the priest’s moving homily, we form a line that snakes through the pews, in and out of the light. We walk forward, one after the other, and at the front I am led to the left, to the priest who gave the talk. Her eyes are brimming with tears.

From dust you have been made, and to dust you shall return.

I close my eyes. Her fingers trace a gritty, oily black cross on my forehead, the ash of last year’s burned palm fronds.

It’s going to be okay, I think.

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After communion—this is the body, this is the cup—I walk out into the cold Nashville night. I walk lonely, quiet city streets from the church to my hotel, and I can feel the cold air especially cool on the gritty cross still on my forehead. I pull the hood of my coat up over my head. I disappear in it, disappear in the city.

We are all marked, every one, though it’s an ashen cross we can’t usually see. We will not live forever. This seems crucial to remember, especially on that night, as I walk through the shadows and the light, as I make my way back to the hotel and, eventually, home.

It’s going to be okay.

Check out our newest podcast episode with Anne Bogel, creator of Modern Mrs. Darcy and the podcast, What Should I Read Next?

NEW EPISODE: Books, Books, and More Books: An Interview with Will and Anne Bogel (Modern Mrs. Darcy)

 

Today we talk with Will and Anne Bogel. Anne is the founder and creator of Modern Mrs. Darcy and the podcast, What Should I Read Next? She’s also the author of numerous books including her latest, Don’t Overthink It (which released March 2, 2020).

Will is the strong silent type mostly in the background who helps make everything happen.

We get into why Modern Mrs. Darcy became a site primarily about books and reading, how she got the idea for What Should I Read Next?, and what’s on the list of things that they will be working on in the future. Shawn even asks Anne when her first novel is being released. Did she answer? Not really, but she didn’t rule it out, either.

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As always, there are a few ways to listen: click the play button in the image above, go to the webpage to hear this and all of our other episodes, or head on over to Apple podcasts or Spotify!

Those in our Patreon community receive occasional bonus material and have the opportunity to join in conversations about writing and creativity. This month’s book is The War of Art. You can join our Patreon community at the $5 / month level HERE.

Finally, please leave a review wherever you listen! Reviews are so helpful.

Keep writing!

 

Postmarked: Dear Jen (28)

Dear Jen

I write this to you sitting in a hotel room in downtown Nashville, getting ready to go hand out ARCs of my upcoming novel, These Nameless Things, to librarians at the PLA conference. Hawking my book to strangers isn’t my favorite thing in the world, but I do love the story—it’s been in my head since 2011ish—so I’m pumping myself up.

As of Wednesday last week, I was completely prepared to write this letter to you. Maile and I left on Wednesday for our annual pilgrimage to Kentucky to spend time with a small group of writers we love. I use the word love in the deepest sense, not in a passing kind of “Oh! I love that book!” but in a way meant to communicate a deep sense of caring and belonging and hoping for. These are writers who not only write beautifully but who also live beautifully. They inspire me to care even more about the craft, the words, the people to whom I’m writing. It is a good, good group.

So, for about three days we ate together, shared our writing with one another, had conversations about downward mobility, publishing, and the desire to be read. We also laughed a lot.

I’ve come away from that meeting, our third time together, thinking quite a bit about the role of community in the writer’s life. And when I say community, I’m talking about writers who gather more or less as equals to encourage, critique, and share about their lives. I don’t think I could keep going without my writing community—not only those writers we met with last week, but my online writer friends, the people who listen to Maile and I on our podcast, and friends like you.

Writing is hard, hard work. Yes, it is fun. Yes, there are few places I’d rather be than perched in front of my laptop with a few blank hours to work on my next novel. Yes, the encouragement, the contracts, the very occasional awards, the positive feedback…these are all nice parts of the writing life. But without the people, without the other writers, I would soon lose myself in an endless feedback loop of self-criticism or self-aggrandizement.

So, thank you. Thanks for being part of my writing community, for coming alongside me for this season, for taking the time to write every other week (or a little less often than that, when I forget to keep the chain going!).

Well, I guess I’d better start polishing my one sentence description of my book for these librarians. They really are some of my favorite people in the world, librarians. They seem to me to be like the sacred keepers of lost worlds. I would never have read Tolkien or Susan Cooper or Madeleine L’Engle at such a young age if it weren’t for my middle school librarian. They really do change our communities for the good.

I hope February is coming to a satisfactory end for you and your family, and that you are charging into the home stretch with your upcoming book due date.

All the best, my friend. Thanks again for your companionship on this writing journey

Shawn

NEW PODCAST EPISODE: In Which Maile Gets Over Her Dislike of Big Magic (a Book She Had Never Read Before)

We talk a bit about our trip to Kentucky to hang out with other writers, and then Maile makes a surprising admission about Elizabeth Gilbert and her wonderful book on writing and creativity, Big Magic. We dig into Gilbert’s novel approach to rejection letters, how to create in the face of resistance, and why you don’t need anyone’s permission to be creative.

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As always, there are a few ways to listen: click the play button in the image above, go to the webpage to hear this and all of our other episodes, or head on over to Apple podcasts or Spotify!

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Have you read my latest book, Light from Distant Stars? It was named Christianity Today’s book of the year for fiction! Find out more about it HERE.