Maile and Shawn talk about the fine line between hope and discouragement, whether or not it’s possible to choose genuine hope, and when giving up is the right thing to do. Also, Maile’s crush on Daniel Day-Lewis is explored (actually, we talk about his retirement from acting at age 60 and what it would be like to completely change what you do).
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